| | NeilHammond | Jun 3, 2007 7:54am | Now, was it me or was this the most boring so far? EXCEPT for the last 15 minutes of episode 2, which I thought was GREAT.
Come on now RTD, we know the Doc's not going to die, so why put him in peril/danger. It works best when he's rescuing others, and coming up with weird and wonderful ways to solve their problems, not his. |
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Sponsor |  ericthehamster | Jun 3, 2007 7:58am | I enjoyed it, but most for the second part - the idea of his hiding in another ID didn't ring true for me (I think the original novel had him becoming a human as part of a vacation). However, the ending presumably was meant to show he was not being craven - not sure I quite "got" the biblical punishments (although I agree the ending was impressive). I am not sure this level of "ruthlessness" is entirely consistent.
The Armistice Day bit at the end got me and I have to admit to shedding a few tears (*shuffles feet*).
I thought the idea of John Smith feeling a "separateness" and knowing he was facing oblivion was excellent, and David Tennant was superb. |
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Sponsor | | rafcop1976 | Jun 3, 2007 8:25am | | I liked the actual family of blood, and the idea of the Doctor changing into a human for his own protection. I did however find it hard to believe that he would put human lives at risk to do this. I was disappointed overall, it did not need stretching into two episodes and the ending could have been much better. |
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Sponsor | | ericthehamster | Jun 3, 2007 8:29am | He has faced greater peril than this without resorting to this chameleon device, and that is a good point about all those lives put at risk.
I hope Dr Who doesn't become as inconsistent as Torchwood (although I still sort of enjoyed it, mainly for Capt. Jack! Speaking of whom, he should be making an appearance soon!) |
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Sponsor | | rafcop1976 | Jun 3, 2007 8:33am | | I was expecting Captain Jack to have appeared by now, they ran a trailer with him in a couple of weeks ago. |
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Sponsor | | ericthehamster | Jun 3, 2007 8:37am | | Ah, yes, that trailer! Was that the one just before the missing week before the Eurovision Song contest? It looked really exciting, including the return of Capt Jack. However, apparently it showed bits from the whole of the remaining season, as a consolation for missing a week. |
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Sponsor | | SlowHand | Jun 3, 2007 8:42am | Hmmmm...interesting to read all three comments above. gets me thinking perchance a different script writer?
Watching it, I was thinking similar to NH in post one, maybe not boring, but feeling frustrated at the disjointed flow of the episodes, right up to the ending, which tied up the loose threads.
Btw..all this talk of battling Gods and Demons...bring it on! The family of blood did not really register as such, which kinda makes the plot somewhat lame. I would have liked to see the little blond chap who carried the watch have his character developed further.
Not sure I agree with the hampster on John Smith knowing he was facing oblivion, death perchance but not oblivion.
How would you have scripted the ending Ol' feathery? |
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Sponsor | | ericthehamster | Jun 3, 2007 8:47am | The young boy was a wasted opportunity!
Baby Hamster thought that as he had absorbed some of the "essence" of the Doctor, perhaps he would become John Saxon. Would have been nice to have seen him portrayed as a (future) companion of an earlier Dr Who?
I suppose I used "oblivion" as a flowery term - do you mean he would have gone to an "afterlife" - I have no problem with that, only am not sure he possessed a separate "soul" as he was a construct? What do you think?
The biblical ending and punishments required a really horrendous enemy, I think...more so than the Family of Blood (would have liked to have known a bit more about them - the old Dr Who would have elaborated). |
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Sponsor | | rafcop1976 | Jun 3, 2007 8:47am | | To be honest I am not sure how I would have scripted it. Having sat through a two episode build up, the way he dealt with each member of the family at the end seemed rushed. |
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Sponsor | | SlowHand | Jun 3, 2007 9:15am | The 'chaining with unbreakable chains' reminded me of the punishment meeted out to Melkor by the Valar in JRR Tolkien's epic Silmarilion (apologies for going Middle Earth in the Dr Who forum, but I play's it as I see's it) rather than biblical, but that probably my bias for Tolkien speaking.
8. On oblivion, I apologise as I can have an annoying habit for taking words too literally. You are correct in deducing my line of thinking, yet I would view time as non linear, a bit like the good doctor, especially thinking back to Rose and the alternate reality she ended up in. So rather than an afterlife, more an alternate reality :o) if that makes sense. |
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